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Thursday, July 21, 2005

ID - The Spawn of Creationism

Many Europeans are still happily oblivious to the ongoing "battle" between Creationism (oops - I mean "Intelligent Design") and Evolution in the United States (well - in a few states at least). Advocates of Intelligent Design believe that life is too complex to be a result of random events and that it requires a creator. So what these ID supporters are trying to do is this: Make PUBLIC schools teach Intelligent Design along with evolution. If this happens it means that tax dollars are used for religious purposes and that is against the Constitution of the United States (which Bush is already violating with his faith-based programs). ID advocates of course argue that ID has got nothing to do with religion but does anyone (other than religious nutjobs) believe that for a second? Simply put - this is just another attempt by Christians to make public schools teach Creationism.

So basically this is what they are trying to do: Anyone can create a theory (Intelligent Design in this case) and call it "logical" ("life is complex = life has a designer"). Now if this theory (and it really is just a theory while evolution is a scientific theory - meaning evolution is valid and can be observed, repeated and developed) happens to have many supporters (=many religious nutjobs) and if some of those supporters happen to have enough influence and money you can try to make schools teach your theory. So that's all there is. Intelligent Design is not a result of scientific research - it's a guess based on a religious fictional story. It has no facts to support it - only that some think that it's logical. And this is what they want to teach you at school? Evolution can be observed and it is repeatable. Intelligent Design is neither observable nor repeatable - it's just a wild guess.

Ask these Intelligent Design "theorists" (=pseudoscientific clowns) do they accept the possibility that UFOs (intelligent lifeforms creating life = intelligent design) created mankind and they'll find a way around it. Ask them do they accept the possibility that there were many "intelligent" beings (=gods) behind the creation of the universe and they'll find a way around it. That's because these Christians accept only one God - not gods or ufos. Surely there are secular ID supporters but they're not the ones gathering all the publicity.

Many ID advocates (Creationists) would like to think that their "theory" is challenging evolution. Give me a break. This pathetic attempt will fail just like every similar attempt before has failed. Even small victories for Creationists usually end up being reversed sooner or later and it's always evolution in the end that triumphs. And then there's Europe of course. No matter what goes on in The Eden of Ignorance (the Bible territory in the United States - Texas & co.) the post-religious Europe will most likely survive this new wave of idiotism (and have at least one good reason to laugh at America).

The Creationists still have one base left - private schools. Public funding for public schools in the United States is relatively weak and forces many American parents to send their kids to private schools. Is this a problem? Not really. In case you didn't know they teach religion at schools here in Finland (as is done in many secular European countries) and our people are not that religious. Religion is a separate subject at schools and does not compete with evolution during science classes. When teaching religion they don't teach that someone created the universe but that according to a religion someone created the universe.
Besides - religious behavior correlates with a person's IQ. In a nutshell - the more religion the more stupidity. If you're born smart enough you won't become religious. So the Christian "Right" (capitalism has got nothing to do with religion - in fact capitalism was a result of liberal non-religious ideas) in America - a strong supporter of social darwinism is actually a victim of their own (but unrecognized) sociobiological beliefs.

You might ask yourself - do adults actually belive this stuff? Yes - they do believe this nonsense. That makes you wonder - should we reshape the description of the word "adult" to mean a person who's grown-up and doesn't believe in Jesus? I say we should.

"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the endless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries" -James Madison (4th President of the United States)

"To put it bluntly but fairly, anyone today who doubts that the variety of life on this planet was produced by a process of evolution is simply ignorant - inexcusably ignorant." -Daniel Dennett

Two excellent pro-science blogs:
http://www.pandasthumb.org/
http://pharyngula.org/
Scientific answers:
http://www.talkorigins.org/
The Clowns:
http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/

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10 Comments:

Blogger james82 said...

"tax dollars are used for religious purposes and that is against the Constitution of the United States" you should read the US Constitution before you comment on it, but I guess you're heppy with liberal hearsay.

"attempt by Christians to make public schools teach Creationism" christians homeschool or send their children to private schools. public schools and teach is an oxymoron.

"some of those supporters happen to have enough influence and money you can try to make schools teach your theory" In America, schools are run locally with input from parents - so if enough parents want ID taught in their schools, it'll eventually be taught.

"It has no facts to support it - only that some think that it's logical" how about the infinitesimal odds that all the processes since the creation of the universe have led to life? We've all won a massive lottery my friend, what luck!

What's your argument and resentment with creationists? Were you sexually molested by one and now you spend your life raging against them?

The separation od church and state means that the federal government will not establish a national religion to which the government is accountable, e.g., the anglican church in england in the 18th century. Having the 10 commandments on government property is orders of magnitude away from establishing a religion.

July 22, 2005 5:49 PM  
Blogger island said...

The article might actually carry real meaning if NeoDarwinists weren't equally guilty antifanatics...

... but they are.

July 23, 2005 7:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In America, schools are run locally with input from parents - so if enough parents want ID taught in their schools, it'll eventually be taught.

Is this really so? So the curriculum is determined by a shouting contest among the parents? No wonder so many Merkins are flat-Earth...uh...creationists. Still, I find that hard to believe.

The funny thing about this is that MSandt is very much in love with the USA, including its education system and spends a lot of time criticising the welfare state he grew up in. Now he's being bitten by his own dogs calling him a "liberal" (essentially, a leftie) because the education system of this horrible welfare state happened to instill at least in part a scientific worldview in him. Oh, the irony! The poetic justice!

July 25, 2005 3:01 AM  
Anonymous Phil said...

"Is this really so? So the curriculum is determined by a shouting contest among the parents?"

Consider it a local democracy. If 90% of vocal parents in your school district wants evolution taught at schools - that's what you often get. This wouldn't be a problem if kids actually had a school choice. Let all the Christian-fanatics goto one school and let all the others go to another.

July 31, 2005 12:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't it problematic that religious fanatics often grow up in circumstances where they never meet anyone who thinks otherwise?

July 31, 2005 5:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Phil:
This wouldn't be a problem if kids actually had a school choice. Let all the Christian-fanatics goto one school and let all the others go to another.

Right. So let the children of Nazis go to schools where they teach holocaust revisionism. Yippee. Not that it really matters in America. From what I gather, they don't really teach history at American schools.

I prefer a system that, at least to some degree, protects children from the ignorance and bigotry of their parents.

August 01, 2005 4:04 PM  
Blogger Mikko Sandt said...

you should read the US Constitution before you comment on it, but I guess you're heppy with liberal hearsay.

And maybe you should learn how to read: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". And there's more if you bother to take a look.

christians homeschool or send their children to private schools.

If they can afford. Brainwashing little kids all the way baby! That's how any responsible parent should act - right?

so if enough parents want ID taught in their schools, it'll eventually be taught.

Schools should not be democratic institutions where kids are being taught what the parents happen to like at a given time in history.

We've all won a massive lottery my friend, what luck!

Are you too weak or just soft to accept the fact that we have no "celestial" purpose? Well go ahead and believe in fairy tales if that makes your life happier.

What's your argument and resentment with creationists?

Because the public will always suffer if you let the idiots have too much power.

Having the 10 commandments on government property is orders of magnitude away from establishing a religion.

Makes me wonder what kind of an idiot would need a table of commands to remind him of what's right and what's not.

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